. >> and biden's going out -- >> killing it. >> week in, week out, joe biden is going out, making the deals that have got to be done. he's the mvp of the past six months. this is really sticking it to a guy that has been saying since 2009 he wants to run for president. >> it's hard to figure, if this was at the end of the administration, maybe it makes sense. but the president's going to need joe biden and need him all out for the next four years, no question. >> so what's going on? by the way, you love hillary. you love joe. we all do. >> we all do. >> this doesn't make any sense. >> i think down the road -- first of all, i do think that there's something about just saying, look, this was a great collaboration. we want to put an exclamation point on a great collaboration team of rivals. look, hillary's more popular than the president right now. the president might have had as much to gain on that as hillary did, number one. number two, i think that the president, down the road, could be the peacemaker, the person who comes in and says to joe, joe, you can't stand in the way of histor